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| 小规模，大影响 Shui: According to my knowledge, 4,400 staff members, it’s not a huge organization, compared to the organization’s influence and your activities all over the world. You know, you have offices and, let’s say, programs in more than 100 countries. How can you manage, with such a limited number of staff members, to carry out such kind of a global network of activities and programs? You must have dedication, aspiration, and enough foundation, of course, I guess. Leape: I think you pretty much answered the question. Shui: That’s my guess. Leape: That’s a good guess. In the end, we are one of the largest conservation organizations in the world, WWF. And at the same time, if you look at the scale of the challenges that we are taking on, we are very small. I mean, the challenges are enormous. Whether it is nature conservation or climate change. And the challenge for us is to figure out how we can have an impact that is much, much greater than our own size. I mean, how we find partnerships with governments, with companies, with communities that allow us to have an impact that is far greater than you would expect for only a few hundred people. A Business Dealing with People 与人打交道的职业 Shui: What is the tough side in protecting our environment? Dealing with, let’s say, politics, or dealing with, in general, I guess it’s kind of dealing with people. Leape: Well, in the end, right, and this is a business which is about dealing with people. And we’ve talked a lot about the ways in which you engage people. Clearly one of the challenges for us is that you don’t always have everybody on your side. Right? I mean there are sometimes people who are frightened of change, who are for various, because of various interests they have, resistant to change. So a challenge for us is to find partnerships that can help us overcome that kind of initial resistance, that can help begin to demonstrate the value of conservation, and begin to find paths that alleviate5) some of those concerns. But you can’t expect that everybody all the time is going to be standing there applauding. China’s Environmental Protection 中国的环境保护 Shui: Let’s talk about now a little bit about China. How about the environmental protection? Because, you know, the Chinese government has pushed forward very hard to have more and more measures, and even, you know, to have regulations and laws to protect the environment, protect the air, things like that. But we are developing. People’s lives are changing. And, you know, with more and more wealth and money in your pocket, people want to have a better life. That’s natural, right? Leape: Yes. Shui: So a lot of people are buying cars. Leape: Yes. Shui: And more cars are on the streets of Beijing or Shanghai or other big cities or even smaller cities in China. And I know you are of the idea of not having, you know, against big cars, or fuel-consuming SUV cars like that. How do you comment on this? Leape: One—clearly China needs to grow, China needs to develop in the ways that it is. I think China has already begun to address the environmental ramifications6) of growth, some of the consequences of growth. And so China has put in place some policies on things like energy use. Those are world-leading policies. China, for example, has efficiency standards for appliances— mandatory efficiency standards for air conditioners, refrigerators, light bulbs and so forth— which is something Europe does not yet have. What I see, looking at China from the outside, is also opportunity. China has the chance to decide what its path for growth should be. So as you build the cities of tomorrow, you have a chance to say, “So what kind of cities do we want to live in? What should the cities of tomorrow look like? Should they look like Houston, Texas? What could they look like? And how do we build cities that are great places for people to live, and also allow them to live with a lighter footprint on the planet?” Right? And the fact is that if you build cities for people instead of for cars, they can be nicer places to live, and at the same time better for the environment. So for me, yes, absolutely, there are big changes in China as people have more income and have the opportunity to buy more things and so forth. But there is also opportunity imbedded in that. And for me, the key question, over the next 5～10 years, is “How does China come up to that opportunity? And what does it make of the opportunity?”As well as, “How does it address the challenges?” |
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